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I had an interesting conversation with a friend today, which as normal with them, spiralled into all kinds of areas and hypothetical. So much so that me, who is pretty much a pacifist, was "lobbying" to send a stack of European troops into Ukraine to obliterate what is left of the Russian forces there.
Nuclear war?
Let's Play Chicken.
As I see it, governments are meant to support making our lives better, but pretty much uniformly across the globe, they are failing this function. Instead, they are playing a game of enrichment of the few at the expense of the many. And now that Putin has opened up on Ukraine with the only resistance being "expressed concern" by the rest of the world, Trump is opening up the US into a malevolent force.
Europe is caught in the middle of it all expressing their concern, because no one wants to a) start a nuclear war and b) lose what they currently have. But on the current trajectory the world is taking, it is going to be lost anyway in a slow meatgrinder crush, so let's speed it up.
Fast track Ukraine into the EU, then send troops.
The EU has about 2 million troops, not including reserves. For reference, that is slightly less than the US has in active service people including the national guard. And while the EU might not have the most advanced military equipment in the world, it is also not throwing lumps of wood at an enemy.
But the nukes!
Let them fall.
If that is the Putin response, then that is going to happen regardless at some point, because there is no end to the greed and thirst for more power. This means that eventually that reach is going to extend too far into a place that forces a response, and the nukes will fire. Then other nukes will fire, then more and then - we don't have to worry about it anymore.
And once Russia has been gutted of its pathetic excuse for a government, the sites should be set on other superpowers. The "super power" label shouldn't be denoted by military force anyway - it should be designated by the quality of life the people of that country have, and the value they bring to the global table to improve the quality of life for everyone else.
This shift in fundamental structure has to happen.
The problem is that the governments are still acting like kingdoms, where it is about resources and land and tax. But while that model is relevant because we make it so, what should have value is what people are able to offer the market. Look at the most valuable companies on earth and recognise that the value is in the people, not the land they own. The "per head" value of an employee at a tech company is far higher than the land value they work on. A government should be maximising the amount of high-value, low-land income, and the way to do that is to build a society that allows people to work at their best.
If Russia beats Ukraine, does life for the average Russian improve?
The short answer is; no.
So, let's say Russia win the war in Ukraine, the cost of the war to Russia has been extreme, and that has been on the back of the people. So without the war, what happens? Will the Russian people be happy? Or will it soon start to look more like Iran is at the moment? And like nearly all countries, Russia is also seeing a declining birth rate and the younger people haven't quite got the same fervour for war as the authority.
The China threat?
Fuck the Chinese government too, which also has a massive military. And also a population predicted to be *hundreds of millions less in the space of the next twenty five years. Not only that, the Chinese people, like all countries that have developed enough to have access to junk food, are also getting fatter, with estimates at about 22% and 33% for men and women respectively. And now, while there is a massive military and they have nukes also, do you think the average Chinese person has an appetite for global nuclear war?
The US?
Does the average American have the appetite for a global nuclear war? Look at the response to the Twin Tower attacks and then consider what happens if that is just common place in the streets of all the major cities. Where urban warfare becomes the norm, in a country that seems to be already currently struggling to stop a civil war from breaking out.
It all sounds very bloody.
And it may very well be the bloodiest war the world will ever see, because it would annihilate us all in a fiery, radioactive death. Yet, maybe this is the risk required to change directory from what is heading towards a painful, drawn-out, cruel and soul-sucking death that ends with a fizzle. Like a lit wick being extinguished between wet fingers.
Maybe this is what the world needs to wakeup.
Economic sanctions don't work, because they just keep the same system in play. If we want a better future as a global society, we are going to have to do what it takes to get one. There are risks involved. And because we haven't course corrected earlier and instead maintained the status quo out of fear of losing the little we have, the risk has grown to the point where it might just be all or nothing. Risk the entirety of life on earth by playing a game of chicken with a few egotistical tyrants, and see who turns.
And we don't turn.
Or, we could just stop supporting these cunts of the world and do what needs to be done to make the world better, without a drop of blood needing to be be shed in violence.
Either way. All in.
Taraz
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Wish we have the leaders to think over this. Many people slowly turning things for good, but at the top level very few are inclined for betterment they mostly think of money and power...atleast i would say about here..us / eu / me are are burning 🔥 and may lit up war in no time....but at the end the sufferer are the common man who trying to make the world a better place
The grassroots movements need to be far rootier and grassier, with far more people dedicated for them to work. Governments as they are will never do what is required.
There are risk that these grassroots may be suppressed if the government does not see any benefit for them.... they judge on monetary basis more
I think everything that is happening now is pretty much proof that we are all just along for the ride. If you try to stand up against it you get fired, cancelled, or shot three times.
Yep. So may as well go all in, because the end of the ride is a crash at high speed into a wall at this point.
I still plan on voicing my opinion whenever I get a chance, but it definitely feels like you are the only sane person screaming into the abyss at times.
The accelerating pace of events is starting to convince me that one of two things must be true.
Theory 1 - The psychotic and greedy 0.001% have this all planned, and expect to sit around in their super-luxury bunkers for a couple of centuries after all us drones (or as the WEF refers to us; "useless eaters") are wiped out, and then emerge to a brave new world. Idiots.
Theory 2 - this is all a simulation. We're nearing the end-game, so it's increased dramatic tension, but also the gods have told little Johnny-God that it's nearly bed time and to hurry up and finish his game then switch off the machine for the night.
Either way, the cockroaches are really looking forward to having the planet all to themselves after we're gone.
Yep. So may as well have some fun with it, since the ship is going down, and no one is coming to the rescue. Do not go gentle into the night.
War is never profitable for the winner. It is not that Russia is not suffering from the war that Russia is currently engaged in with the U.S., but it is not that it is not suffering from Russia. But the problem is that in the current world, the superpowers seem to be engaged in such a war game to show their capabilities and their strength. Trump is one of them. These people have become like monstrous whales and are trying to swallow the small fish in the sea. Nothing can be done about them without a joint effort.
Russia is not engaged in a war with US 😀
Russia is trying to take a small sliver of Ukrainian territory for the last four years, the length of this war is now greater than second world war was for Soviet Union. Russia can no longer be considered a superpower other than a bunch of old Soviet nukes...
Exactly. Tie to put this regime to sleep?
It would not be easy and would require a complete air superiority or massive ground force which will result in big losses.
Well, this could be debatable in some ways. :)
There are no US soldiers fighting in Ukraine
Or a few high-velocity projectiles?
I think this is a very inaccurate view that is perhaps presented by the media? In reality there is no possibility of civil war here :)
I think it is just a few degrees of conditions required. Imagine a scenario where there are consistent attacks on US cities and the government is unable to do much about it. What happens?
I think the idea that superpowers should be measured by the quality of life instead of their military strength is good and might lead to a fairer global system.
Though it is highly improbable.
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STOPIt’s crazy that we call countries successful just because they have a massive military, even if their average citizen is living in a dump. We’re measuring success by how well a government can kill people rather than how well they can help them
And the citizens revolting is really the only way to overthrow the government.
Yes,Real change has to come from the inside, otherwise it's just one bully replacing another.
I agree that governments seem to support the enrichment of the few over the welfare of the many, but that has been the case for generations now. Whoever says it is not the case just doesn't understand government and history of the U.S. or other larger nations. We should have sent in UN troops to Ukraine long ago, but the UN is a feckless organization that is useless as tits on a boar.
Sounds to me, listening to different citizens and news casts, Ukrainians are better off without Russian rule. Seems, even with some of the corruption, they were doing just fine before the war.
I think the appetites for war would quickly diminish when it is them or their sons and daughters dying in far away lands and seas for the rich and wealthy to get rich and wealthier.
Yes. They say it is "fear" of nuclear war, but I think it is just another money grab along the way, a la WWII
I think everyone is better off without Russian rule. Including Russians.
The other thing to consider is how "uninvested" the young are in society. Many do not have opportunity to own a home, nor do they have family - so what are they protecting other than their entertainment ecosystem?
Yes, I am thinking of older generations in my response about appetite for war. You are correct, the younger generation in my country are mostly unattached to their flag these days and feel like their country has failed them.
I think that this should be done
agesyears ago.I believe political leaders are stoking a global armed conflict. But I don't think the people will allow it this time.
The conflict in Ukraine will be resolved when they are willing to accept territorial losses to Russia. I don't think they have any other option.
I believe the protests in Iran mark a turning point. A cry for freedom.
In Venezuela, no one fired a shot to defend Maduro.
I believe Trump's crazy idea of annexing Greenland will cost him far more politically, economically, and militarily than he thinks. I would like Europe to leave NATO and form its own defense alliance. I hope the world sets limits for the US, that it understands that the next world war will be fought on its own soil and that its citizens will bear the brunt of the bombs. I only hope that Europe abandons its subservient attitude to US interests and chooses peace.